okay so im just curious about how good my team and other peoples teames are. Rate on a scale from 1-10 10 the best 1 the worst and some advice would be helpful.

so here we go:

Flygon lvl 50
-Dragon claw
-fireblast
-earthquake
-crunch

Grumpig lvl 70
-psychic
-magic coat
-thunder punch
-brick break

Rampardos lvl 52
-fireblast
-zen headbut
-thunderbolt
-avalanch

empoleon lvl 62
-hydropump
-earthquake
-shadow claw
-blizzard

infernape lvl 73
-earthquake
-close combat
-blast burn
-solar beam

rhyperior lvl 52
-horn drill
-hammer arm
-stone edge
-earthquake

Your Flygon's set's pretty good.

I never used Grumpig, but his Sp. Attack is higher, so give it Charge Beam and Focus Blast instead of Brick Break & Thunder Punch.

Giving Rampardos Fire Blast is like giving Alakazam an elemental punch in the 4th gen. Not smart. Give it more physical moves that aren't Head Smash and you'll do fine.

Empoleon seems fine, but he's not the best at mixing Attack & Special attack.

Fire Punch or Fire Blast is better on Infernape than Blast Burn. Also, why use Solar Beam if you don't have Sunny Day in your moveset??

horn drill relies too much on luck. Other than that, good set.

As for a rating, 6.5/10

cool thanks for the feedback. Im curious to see your team.

Here's my team:

Gardevoir lvl 63
-Energy Ball
-Psychic
-Will-O-Wisp
-Thunder Wave

Weavile lvl 59
-Night Slash
-Ice Punch
-Aerial Ace
-X-Scissor

Mismagius lvl 65
-Ominous Wind
-Thunderbolt
-Hidden Power(Fighting)
-Calm Mind

Miltank lvl 63
-Milk Drink
-Heal Bell
-Earthquake
-Body Slam

Ambipom lvl 58
-Double Hit
-Fake Out
-Shadow Claw
-U-Turn

Tentacruel lvl 64
-Toxic Spikes
-Rapid Spin
-Ice Beam
-Surf

Lemme see now.

Dusknoir:
Your Flygon set is decent, but honestly, I would find a way to put Roost in there as to differenciate it from Garchomp; otherwise, you'll find that Garchomp will give you better results over-all with that exact set. That is, of course, unnecessary if you prefer Flygon for the useful Ground-immunity.

If you're using Magic Coat on Grumpig, you should probably use him as a lead to lure Status. Of course, enemy Gengar are probably going to Shadow Ball you, but other fast Pokemon like Crobat can be lured into putting themselves to sleep. But honestly, I think you'll get more use out of lending Grumpig to more support options; Reflect, Light Screen, Thunder Wave, Taunt, to name a few. Mix and match those along with Psychic and one of the following: Energy Ball, Shadow Ball, Focus Blast, and Power Gem. Really, use Grumpig to fill the holes your team has.

Your Rampardos' moves are terrible. You need a physical rock attack to take the greatest advantage of your massive attack stat that you can. You balance it out by giving it Earthquake for type coverage. After that,you can mix and match. Head Smash if you want a suicide attack akin to Explosion. Zen Headbutt if you want to take out certain psychic-weak Pokemon like Weezing or Hariyama. Pursuit can be useful against weaker Pokemon that want to switch out. And you can use Swords Dance or Rock Polish to stat up, buy you'll have to be careful. Rampardos is fragile, so you don't want to use moves like Focus Punch or Avalanche that force it to go second.

Empoleon needs a focus, and that focus should be special. Replace Shadow Claw and Earthquake. Switch Hydro Pump with Surf and Blizzard with Ice Beam if you want something more reliable, otherwise, they'r fine. Grass Knot and Flash Cannon will give you some type coverage. You can also breed your Empoleon to teach one Yawn, which is always fun.

The moveset needs to be modified a bit. If you replace Earthquake with Stone Edge, you will get more type coverage. Solarbeam should be replaced with Grass Knot or Swords Dance. And Blast Burn should be replaced with either Flare Blitz, Fire Blast or Overheat (only if you go Swords Dance over Grass Knot).

For Rhyperior, replace Horn Drill with Megahorn and you'll get a bit more coverage. Also, if you want, you can replace Hammer Arm with Avalanche, but it's not necessary.

In conclusion, what's the strategy you have for your team? It seems as if you just picked various Pokemon and gave them moves that have different types. While that is a good starting strategy, you have a general weakness to special attacking Pokemon. Grass, Ice, Water, Electric; a single Pokemon can type trump 83% of your team.

Broken Luck:
For Gardevoir, I think you'll get more use out of Thunderbolt than Energy Ball, but that's just preference right there. But at the same time, there is a noticiable lack of grass-type attacks on your team, so I understand it's point. I also notice the useful Double Status set up, but do you think Hypnosis would be more useful than Thunder Wave, considering the general speed of your team? Also, won't it conflict with Tentacruel's Toxic Spikes?

Why is X-Scissor on Weavile? If I remember correctly, that type coverage is taken already by Night Slash and Ice Punch. If you replaced Aerial Ace with Brick Break, you'd remove almost all use of X-Scissor together and have superior coverage, doing better only against Celebi, Cacturne and Exeggutor, all which will run away anyways. For the forth move, you might think about doing Swords Dance over Aerial Ace, but a flying-type move is sometimes useful. Beware of Heracross that are faster with Choice Scarves attached; those are pretty common.


It's incredible that you got Hidden Power Fighting on Mismagius, but at the same time, what's the idea behind Omnious Wind over Shadow Ball? The latter is stronger and has more PP. This is ideal if you're going to be using Calm Mind.

Miltank's a punk. Hope it has the Scrappy nature, otherwise, you have issues with Ghosts. A very good sturdy Pokemon, though. More paralysis via Body Slam.

Shadow Claw's going to let you down with Ambipom's moveset. You already have viable defenses with your other Pokemon; you should put Brick Break so that you aren't totally walled by Steel-type Pokemon. And against Metagross and Brozong, you'll still do more neutral damage.

I never knew Tentacruel could Rapid Spin. That's useful information. But I'm afraid that you have so many different types of status on your team that they will start interfering with each other. What if something you want poisoned is paralyzed instead? What if a special attacker has a burn and can heal itself? You should probably try to focus your team around one or two statuses.

lol yeah my strategy was to try an cover all types. In hindsight that wasn't the best idea. Im playing around with more pokemon and movesets and ill probably put the updated team here later but ill definatly take the advice into concideration. post your team i mean it ought to be good.

@ Broken_luck besides for a few type coverage things i'd say that your set up looks good. I mean i'm no expert on this thats why i started the thread but giving gardevoir an attack like focus blast might be helpful. There are other little type things like that but nothing major that i can see besides
miltank. I just dont like it as a pokemon in general and you might get the same affect from a chansey or blissey.

^_^ Miltank does have Scrappy. Other than that, I'd give her something else than Body Slam. Also, thanks a lot, Goji. I'm trying something different with Mismagius, and I was hoping the boost in all stats would pay off. I'll probably remove Thunder Wave. My Weavile's kind of old, so I haven't moved onto fixing it up. Also, Tentacool gets Rapid Spin as an Egg Move. I figured my team needed some water coverage, or I would've had Forretress.

Let me find one. I've trained several teams so I'll find one to use.

Latias @ Leftovers
- Wish
- Reflect
- Dragon Pulse
- Thunder Wave

Bronzong @ Leftovers
- Flash Cannon
- Hypnosis
- Block
- Calm Mind

Metagross @ Choice Band
- Earthquake
- Meteor Mash
- Explosion
- Ice Punch

Heatran @ Leftovers
- Earth Power
- Lava Plume
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Gliscor @ Leftovers
- Aerial Ace
- Earthquake
- Knock Off
- Roost

Starmie @ Life Orb
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Recover

Luster Cannon = Flash Cannon? Also, that team's pretty good, if you look past that Latias is uber(it might not be since yours isn't holding Soul Dew)

Yeah, Flash Cannon. Luster Cannon was the japanese name of it and I never did quite get used to the new name.

As for the Latias being Uber debate, it's generally accepted by Nintendo that it is the Soul Dew item that makes it overpowered; hence the reason why the item doesn't work in the Battle Frontier or Battle Tower.

i would have never thought to give heatran sleep talk. I guess thinking outside the box makes for a good pokemon team. Ill use that. Oh and ill have that new team soon.

That's good to know. I always wanted to use Latias, but I usually get jumped because she's assumed to be uber by Smogon.

Also, Luster Cannon sounds cooler anyways, but it sounds like a Digimon attack, or an attack shouted out in Yu-Gi-Oh. XD

Remember, Smogon's rules only apply to the members of their site who choose to abide by them. They are not the ruling authority on Pokemon; they are merely one of several groups who enjoy playing the game under controled circumstances. If you want to use Latias, only the person you're playing against has a right to object. That's all that really matters in Pokemon.

Also, Giga Impact is something I like better than Giga Attack.

Giga Attack reminds me of the Mega Man X series.

I think even in the context of Smogon's sort of balance Lati@s should only be uber when holding soul dew. Ditto for Wobuffet when holding Leftovers.

But then, it's not like they're official, so kvetching doesn't matter. 'Tis just fun.

in my opinion the only time you can't use a pokemon is the the pokemon company itself declares the pokemon too good. Then i won't use it but I dont think any pokemon by itself without an item is over powerful. Arcues is up for debate however.

it depends on the arceus. Most likely someone with an arceus has an action replay- which means they rare candied it. the stats won't be as high as if it was trained. but if a person got one from someone and trained it, it can have good stats. Also moves matter, too.
I think this is arceus' moves when u first get it at spear pillar:
recover
refresh
future sight
hyper beam
not the best of move sets. what I'm saying is an Arceus can be brought down if stats and moves aren't treated properly
@gojithefox: I like ur team 8.7/10

I don't know i just don't like Arceus. Oh and I'd give goji's team about a 9.3/10. My updated team is going to have to wait until tomoro im still playing around with a few ideas. Messing around with abilities more now. I think it could give me an edge.

so ill hit you with my updated team. i took the advice into heavy concideration and actually changed a few pokemon. I think a pokemons abilities are extremely underestimated so i included them. The abilities definatly affected the move sets so lets see what you think.

Grumpig-Abilities:Own tempo,thick fat
-magic coat
-light screen
-thunder wave
-torment

Flygon-ability:levitate
-Dragon claw
-fireblast
-earthquake
-roost

Toxicroak-Abilities:Dry skin,Anticipation
-Shadow ball
-toxic
-Dark pulse
-rain dance

Lanturn-Abilities: Volt absorb,illuminate
-Hydro pump
-blizzard
-hail
-thunderbolt

Dusknoir-Abilities:pressure
-fire punch
-ice punch
-thunder punch
-trick room-mean look i can't decide i need some advice

Marowack-abilities:stone head,lightning rod
-double edge
-fire blast
-endeavor
-thunder punch

For you're Grumpig, I would go with Own Tempo as the ability; it seems far more useful than Thick Fat.
Either ability on Toxicroak would be good, though Dry Skin could potentially backfire. Personally, I'd choose Dry Skin over Anticipation so you could switch it in when you expect a Water attack without fear of taking damage.
Lanturn should have Volt Absorb, mainly because Illuminate does nothing durring battle, as far as I know.
Marowak should have Stone Head unless you're planning to use it in a lot of double battles, because that ability is useless for 1-on-1's.

As far as move sets go, they all look pretty solid. I'd choose Mean Look over Trick Room for your Dusknoir, as Trick Room would really only be useful for a couple of your Pokemon. Your opponent will probably switch before you can use Mean Look, but you can always switch out to something that can easily take it out.